Re: And You Thought Harleys Were Expnsive

The word luxurious is defined:

- given to pleasure, esp. of the senses; voluptuous
- excessively ornate; overelaborate
- Of a sumptuous, costly, or rich variety
- rich and superior in quality

among other descriptions. In reality it's purpose is to be exclusive and
rare, owned by a few individuals. It really doesn't matter how exactly it
may be superior, it's really just bling. I think the Ducati fits, likely at
the bottom end as at $75000 it's not a lot of money and most anybody who
wanted one badly enough could manage it.


"~kurt" <actinouranium@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com <> wrote:
>>
>> That's nice. Let them feature it in something called 'street
>> legal race bikes' or whatever. Not 'Worlds Most Luxurious
>> Motorcycles'.
>
> I completely agree. Ducati never said it was a luxury bike....
>
> - Kurt

Goshhawk@westlink.tw <Vacant> wrote:
> The word luxurious is defined:

Depends on where you look it up....

>
> - given to pleasure, esp. of the senses; voluptuous

Ducati Desmo RR: Check!

> - excessively ornate; overelaborate

Ducati Desmo RR: Nope. Not pretty by bike streetbike standards (at least
up close), and not excessive by racebike standards.

> - Of a sumptuous, costly, or rich variety

Ducati Desmo RR: Yes for a streetbike, no for a racebike.

> - rich and superior in quality

Ducati Desmo RR: Time will tell I guess.

- Kurt

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:03:47 -0400, "Goshhawk@westlink.tw" <Vacant lot>
wrote:

>The word luxurious is defined:
>
>- given to pleasure, esp. of the senses; voluptuous
>- excessively ornate; overelaborate
>- Of a sumptuous, costly, or rich variety
>- rich and superior in quality
>
>among other descriptions. In reality it's purpose is to be exclusive and
>rare, owned by a few individuals. It really doesn't matter how exactly it
>may be superior, it's really just bling. I think the Ducati fits, likely at
>the bottom end as at $75000 it's not a lot of money and most anybody who
>wanted one badly enough could manage it.

umm, say what? $75000 not a lot of money? It's more than twice the
per capita income in the US. How many people will pay twice their
yearly income on a vehicle? Any vehicle, much less a frivolous toy?

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"Turby" <turbosurfer@beach.comber> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:03:47 -0400, "Goshhawk@westlink.tw" <Vacant lot>
> wrote:
.. I think the Ducati fits, likely at
>>the bottom end as at $75000 it's not a lot of money and most anybody who
>>wanted one badly enough could manage it.
>
> umm, say what? $75000 not a lot of money? It's more than twice the
> per capita income in the US. How many people will pay twice their
> yearly income on a vehicle? Any vehicle, much less a frivolous toy?
>

There are a huge lot of people at the low end of the wage scale that bring
down the average wage, and I think we can agree that Ducati is not likely
marketing this to your average retail worker. If you are a skilled worker,
and you really want one, it's not hard.

Goshhawk@westlink.tw wrote:
> "Turby" <turbosurfer@beach.comber> wrote in message
> news:r2bfl3hrubku226fnrv4hsg1lno2a4k9ab@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:03:47 -0400, "Goshhawk@westlink.tw" <Vacant
>> lot> wrote:
> . I think the Ducati fits, likely at
>>> the bottom end as at $75000 it's not a lot of money and most
>>> anybody who wanted one badly enough could manage it.
>>
>> umm, say what? $75000 not a lot of money? It's more than twice
>> the
>> per capita income in the US. How many people will pay twice their
>> yearly income on a vehicle? Any vehicle, much less a frivolous toy?
>>
>
> There are a huge lot of people at the low end of the wage scale that
> bring down the average wage, and I think we can agree that Ducati is
> not likely marketing this to your average retail worker. If you are
> a
> skilled worker, and you really want one, it's not hard.

While I think that there are relatively few who would say that it
wasn't "a lot of money" there are certainly enough who have it and are
willing to spend it to keep Rolls-Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc in
business. If you put all the options on it you can even run a Hummer
up to about that level.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:08:43 -0400, "Goshhawk@westlink.tw" <Vacant lot>
wrote:

>
>"Turby" <turbosurfer@beach.comber> wrote in message
>news:r2bfl3hrubku226fnrv4hsg1lno2a4k9ab@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:03:47 -0400, "Goshhawk@westlink.tw" <Vacant lot>
>> wrote:
>. I think the Ducati fits, likely at
>>>the bottom end as at $75000 it's not a lot of money and most anybody who
>>>wanted one badly enough could manage it.
>>
>> umm, say what? $75000 not a lot of money? It's more than twice the
>> per capita income in the US. How many people will pay twice their
>> yearly income on a vehicle? Any vehicle, much less a frivolous toy?
>>
>
>There are a huge lot of people at the low end of the wage scale that bring
>down the average wage, and I think we can agree that Ducati is not likely
>marketing this to your average retail worker. If you are a skilled worker,
>and you really want one, it's not hard.

IOW, not "most anybody", just those who make a lot more money than
most anybody. Far less than 20% of Americans make $75000/year. Nobody
will finace a vehicle that's equal to your yearly income. The most
I've ever spent on a vehicle was less than half of my yearly income.

--
Turby the Turbosurfer

"Turby" <turbosurfer@beach.comber> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:08:43 -0400, "Goshhawk@westlink.tw" <Vacant lot>
> wrote:

> IOW, not "most anybody", just those who make a lot more money than
> most anybody. Far less than 20% of Americans make $75000/year. Nobody
> will finace a vehicle that's equal to your yearly income. The most
> I've ever spent on a vehicle was less than half of my yearly income.
>

I guess we'll have to disagree, retail workers as an example likely wouldn't
even aspire to a bike like this, but I agree that unless they upgrade their
skills that level of worker may have difficulty with such a purchase.
However in your case you have identified that you would not choose to spend
your money that way, not that you couldn't. I bought a boat valued at three
times my annual salary, it was a choice and I made a lot of sacrifices to do
this. I had to live on it just to make the payments, but I had the desire.
I'm a contract worker, earning about what a tradesman would earn and buying
this bike would be easy. The most I have ever paid for a car was $1600 and
my "home" is long since paid for. If you are claiming that "most anybody"
could not buy this bike and still have eveything else their friends have,
then I agree but I would point out that they appear to not want it very
badly. I did point out that it was a matter of wanting it enough.

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