Should I have bought one? [long]

John Corliss showed up in the VB&G inviting folks to visit,
so here I am. Here's my story:

I've owned several dozen bikes in my career (2 Brits and ricers;
650cc max), but by March of '03 several bikeless years had gone by.

Then gas prices shot up during "Operation Iraqi Freedom" causing me
a panic attack, so I rushed out and bought the first small
(for fuel economy) bike I could find, an '81 Yamaha 250 Exciter.
It had been owned and maintained by a conscientious German
(they didn't lose the Big One through equipment failure) and it
still runs like a Swiss watch.

Then about 2 years ago a salesman let me demo a Honda VTX1800.
This was my first time on a big bore machine and it was
a revelation. I'll always remember that ride, rolling on
the throttle and blasting past a big truck to the deep
thunderous roar of the pipes.

Obvious somewhere a big bike had my name on it; the only question
was which one. Sportbikes were out since I'm not comfortable with
their hunched-over riding position, and so mostly were cruisers
(I don't like my legs stretched out forward either -- it pains me
to even sit on a V-rod). At the time Victory wasn't well known
around here (Vancouver, Canada) although I learned later about
a dealership 30 miles out of town).

What I wanted was a mega bike with a comfortable, neutral riding
position, and it more or less came down to the Honda Goldwing.
So I went shopping for a used one, and that's when I saw an ad
for a '99 Harley Ultra Classic. An Electra Glide in Blue, 95ci
SE3 covered in bling for just $10,600 (Canadian).

Well I'd always wanted a Harley, ever since I was a kid,
but something always seem to distract me, such as falling in love
(and falling out again). As the years rolled by with many
concerns there was always this quiet thought at the back
of my mind that I wanted at least one Harley in my lifetime.
Although it's a cruiser the cushy saddle and long foot boards
make it reasonably comfortable (I can ride with my feet back).

At this particular time I could afford it (or so I thought)
and the chance might not come again, so I had it checked out
by an independent repair shop and on their advice I bought it.

Well the reason the price was so low is that it was an insurance
write-off; lots of road rash and rips in the vinyl, like it had
gone down and rolled around, but no real impact damage.
The shop said the frame was ok and it would need about 4 grand
to fix it up.

However, it seems with Harleys ya gotta pay your dues one way
or another, and by the time the cash register stopped ringing
I'd poured enough into to it over a year and half to buy
a brand new FLHT... or should I have bought a Victory?

Later on when I discovered the 30-mile dealer I went in for
a lookaround. Comparison with Harley is inevitable, both
being an American big iron v-twin (with upgrade "stages")
and the Victorys all seemed to be roughly equivalent to the
Softail, except for the Vision, equivalent to nothing I've
ever seen. The styling is eye catching, but I couldn't help
noticing the small pannier capacity.

Anyway now I've got a machine I like; it's in good mechanical
shape and reliable (so far) with 96 cubes and nearly 100 ft/lbs
dyno'd torque and a lot more goodies than a new 06 Electra Glide
Standard. I wouldn't have bought an 07 Harley (too many bugs.
Maybe theMoCo will shake them out by 08 or 09, but who knows.)

Sean_Q_
'99 FLHTCUI SE3
'06 Blvd S40
'81 Exciter 250
'81 Stires VW trike
[various derelicts, projects and dirt bikes]

Sean wrote:
> John Corliss showed up in the VB&G inviting folks to visit,

Note: I've cross-posted my reply but if it offends anybody, I can stop
cross-posting. I just want to get a little activity in RMV so it doesn't
get shut down. Sooner or later (I'm hoping) the growing Victory crowd
will start participating in this group.

> so here I am. Here's my story:
>
> I've owned several dozen bikes in my career (2 Brits and ricers;
> 650cc max), but by March of '03 several bikeless years had gone by.
>
> Then gas prices shot up during "Operation Iraqi Freedom" causing me
> a panic attack, so I rushed out and bought the first small
> (for fuel economy) bike I could find, an '81 Yamaha 250 Exciter.
> It had been owned and maintained by a conscientious German
> (they didn't lose the Big One through equipment failure) and it
> still runs like a Swiss watch.

Heh. My first bike was a Beezer Lightning 650 I bought partially in
response to the Arab Oil Embargo back in the early 70s.

> Then about 2 years ago a salesman let me demo a Honda VTX1800.
> This was my first time on a big bore machine and it was
> a revelation. I'll always remember that ride, rolling on
> the throttle and blasting past a big truck to the deep
> thunderous roar of the pipes.

Ain't no boubt adout it, them bikes is designed well.

> Obvious somewhere a big bike had my name on it; the only question
> was which one. Sportbikes were out since I'm not comfortable with
> their hunched-over riding position, and so mostly were cruisers
> (I don't like my legs stretched out forward either -- it pains me
> to even sit on a V-rod).

The new 1200 Sporties are really really nice. A friend of mine has one.
It's fast, corners nicely and covers the miles without any problems.
They have a longer wheel base and frankly, compare favorably IMO with an FX.

> At the time Victory wasn't well known
> around here (Vancouver, Canada) although I learned later about
> a dealership 30 miles out of town).

We just got a new one 45 miles away from where I live.

> What I wanted was a mega bike with a comfortable, neutral riding
> position, and it more or less came down to the Honda Goldwing.
> So I went shopping for a used one, and that's when I saw an ad
> for a '99 Harley Ultra Classic. An Electra Glide in Blue, 95ci
> SE3 covered in bling for just $10,600 (Canadian).

That's one hell of a deal!

> (small snip)
> Well the reason the price was so low is that it was an insurance
> write-off; lots of road rash and rips in the vinyl, like it had
> gone down and rolled around, but no real impact damage.
> The shop said the frame was ok and it would need about 4 grand
> to fix it up.

Sounds like the deal I got on my Vic Touring Cruiser. It had been bought
by some gal in Colorado and she only managed to get about 4000 miles on
it before hitting the front brake too hard and dumping it. However, the
damage was far less than 4 grand's worth.

Keep an eye on your cam chain adjusters (assuming you haven't already
gone over to gear drive.)

> However, it seems with Harleys ya gotta pay your dues one way
> or another,

It's the truth. You feed them money until they start loving you and then
it's great. My '69 FLH was that way, but after all, she was a basket
case when I first got her. And now, a good friend owns that bike and is
still getting good miles out of her. I didn't dump my problems on
somebody when I got rid of that bike, I actually fixed them all before
it went.

> and by the time the cash register stopped ringing
> I'd poured enough into to it over a year and half to buy
> a brand new FLHT... or should I have bought a Victory?

Coke or Pepsi? 80)> That's the way I look at it... almost.

> Later on when I discovered the 30-mile dealer I went in for
> a lookaround. Comparison with Harley is inevitable, both
> being an American big iron v-twin (with upgrade "stages")
> and the Victorys all seemed to be roughly equivalent to the
> Softail, except for the Vision, equivalent to nothing I've
> ever seen. The styling is eye catching, but I couldn't help
> noticing the small pannier capacity.

Hadn't heard that about them.

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-...on/Experience/

The picture seems to show a long, roomy bag. The site says that they
have "3370 Cubic Inches (Street)", i.e. no tour pack. Not sure how that
stacks up to a standard set of Harley FL hard bags.

> Anyway now I've got a machine I like; it's in good mechanical
> shape and reliable (so far) with 96 cubes and nearly 100 ft/lbs
> dyno'd torque and a lot more goodies than a new 06 Electra Glide
> Standard. I wouldn't have bought an 07 Harley (too many bugs.

My mechanic friend says that they're too lean out of the factory, and
the dealerships won't alter that because if they do, they get a nasty
fine if caught.

> Maybe theMoCo will shake them out by 08 or 09, but who knows.)

It appears that thanks to the D.E.Q. or EPA, the future for all bikes is
going to be water cooled. In this case, Harley has a jump on Victory
with the V-Rod. In fact, we're just now starting to see people bagging
them out and rigging them for touring. IIRC though, V-Rod mileage sucks
pretty bad.

>
> Sean_Q_
> '99 FLHTCUI SE3
> '06 Blvd S40
> '81 Exciter 250
> '81 Stires VW trike
> [various derelicts, projects and dirt bikes]

Thanks for your post, Sean. Maybe you can tell me about that VW trike
next time?

--
John Corliss BS206
1971 BSA Lightning (long gone)
1969 Harley FLH (sold)
1981 Husky 352C (still own- ugly but runs great and I'll sell it for $350)
2005 Victory Touring Cruiser

"Sean" <no.spam@no.spam> wrote in message
news:j_2wi.57052$fJ5.7769@pd7urf1no...
> John Corliss showed up in the VB&G inviting folks to visit,
> so here I am. Here's my story:
>
> I've owned several dozen bikes in my career (2 Brits and ricers;
> 650cc max), but by March of '03 several bikeless years had gone by.
>
> Then gas prices shot up during "Operation Iraqi Freedom" causing me
> a panic attack, so I rushed out and bought the first small
> (for fuel economy) bike I could find, an '81 Yamaha 250 Exciter.
> It had been owned and maintained by a conscientious German
> (they didn't lose the Big One through equipment failure) and it
> still runs like a Swiss watch.
>
> Then about 2 years ago a salesman let me demo a Honda VTX1800.
> This was my first time on a big bore machine and it was
> a revelation. I'll always remember that ride, rolling on
> the throttle and blasting past a big truck to the deep
> thunderous roar of the pipes.
>
> Obvious somewhere a big bike had my name on it; the only question
> was which one. Sportbikes were out since I'm not comfortable with
> their hunched-over riding position, and so mostly were cruisers
> (I don't like my legs stretched out forward either -- it pains me
> to even sit on a V-rod). At the time Victory wasn't well known
> around here (Vancouver, Canada) although I learned later about
> a dealership 30 miles out of town).
>
> What I wanted was a mega bike with a comfortable, neutral riding
> position, and it more or less came down to the Honda Goldwing.
> So I went shopping for a used one, and that's when I saw an ad
> for a '99 Harley Ultra Classic. An Electra Glide in Blue, 95ci
> SE3 covered in bling for just $10,600 (Canadian).
>
> Well I'd always wanted a Harley, ever since I was a kid,
> but something always seem to distract me, such as falling in love
> (and falling out again). As the years rolled by with many
> concerns there was always this quiet thought at the back
> of my mind that I wanted at least one Harley in my lifetime.
> Although it's a cruiser the cushy saddle and long foot boards
> make it reasonably comfortable (I can ride with my feet back).
>
> At this particular time I could afford it (or so I thought)
> and the chance might not come again, so I had it checked out
> by an independent repair shop and on their advice I bought it.
>
> Well the reason the price was so low is that it was an insurance
> write-off; lots of road rash and rips in the vinyl, like it had
> gone down and rolled around, but no real impact damage.
> The shop said the frame was ok and it would need about 4 grand
> to fix it up.
>
> However, it seems with Harleys ya gotta pay your dues one way
> or another, and by the time the cash register stopped ringing
> I'd poured enough into to it over a year and half to buy
> a brand new FLHT... or should I have bought a Victory?
>
> Later on when I discovered the 30-mile dealer I went in for
> a lookaround. Comparison with Harley is inevitable, both
> being an American big iron v-twin (with upgrade "stages")
> and the Victorys all seemed to be roughly equivalent to the
> Softail, except for the Vision, equivalent to nothing I've
> ever seen. The styling is eye catching, but I couldn't help
> noticing the small pannier capacity.
>
> Anyway now I've got a machine I like; it's in good mechanical
> shape and reliable (so far) with 96 cubes and nearly 100 ft/lbs
> dyno'd torque and a lot more goodies than a new 06 Electra Glide Standard.
> I wouldn't have bought an 07 Harley (too many bugs.
> Maybe theMoCo will shake them out by 08 or 09, but who knows.)
>
> Sean_Q_
> '99 FLHTCUI SE3
> '06 Blvd S40
> '81 Exciter 250
> '81 Stires VW trike
> [various derelicts, projects and dirt bikes]


Good morning, Sean (and John),

I'm new to RMV, and new to Victory as well, but I'm having a good time.
Bought my '03 Vegas in May after over 40 years off a bike! Had a succession
of "little" bikes back in the 60's and nothing since...my last was a Honda
305 Dream...oh, the memories. Girls like it, anyhow.

I started looking for a bike earlier this year. Over my wife's
protestations, of course, I told her I was finally gonna do it, as I had
received a small inheritance from my mother who passed away in February.
While she won't ride with me, she's resigned to the fact that I'm gonna ride
it!

I looked and looked, as I didn't have $20K to dump in a bike. I didn't even
have a motorcycle endorsement or permit when I started, so I couldn't even
take test rides. But I talked the sales guys at some of the places into
giving me a "buddy" ride, so I could hear and experience the bike kinda
second-hand. It worked OK for me, at least.

Nonetheless, I "rode" several Harly's, Goldwing, V-Star and Honda crusiers.
None really "did it" for me. I had heard of Victory from my searching, and
went into Warner Outdoor in Bloomington MN to take a look. As I walked in
the door, there was my Vegas, sitting there with only 2300 miles on it, in
mint condition, beautiful metalic red color...I was hooked. I sat on it,
and loved the "fit" of the bike to me. (I immediately put a KP seat on it,
btw, after I bought it. Great improvement.)

I took a "ride" on a demo '07 Vegas, and really liked it. I bought the
Vegas without even riding it! I had secured a permit by then, but most
dealers won't let you ride without a full endorsement these days.

Since May 1, I have put about 3000 miles on the bike, just upgraded to Stage
1 pipes (man, what a performance difference) and a few extra bits of chrome!
It's really a great motorcycle. I rode my buddy's FLHT the other day, and
it's a dog by comparison, and the braking is far inferior to the Vegas,
IMHO. I'm very glad I bought a Victory.

Anyway, back on a bike for the first time since about 1967, and I am really
enjoying it. John, I'll tell all the folks on our local Twin Cities Victory
Riders (www.tcvr.us) about this list. Maybe that'll stimulate some usage.

I've enjoyed your posts, John. Keep it up.

Larry
Northfield, MN

'03 Vegas

Larry M wrote:
> (snipped all quoted stuff)
> Good morning, Sean (and John),
>
> I'm new to RMV,

Welcome! Good to have you.

> and new to Victory as well, but I'm having a good time.
> Bought my '03 Vegas in May after over 40 years off a bike! Had a succession
> of "little" bikes back in the 60's and nothing since...my last was a Honda
> 305 Dream...oh, the memories. Girls like it, anyhow.

Didn't they look like a kind of, mini-FLH?

> I started looking for a bike earlier this year. Over my wife's
> protestations, of course, I told her I was finally gonna do it, as I had
> received a small inheritance from my mother who passed away in February.
> While she won't ride with me, she's resigned to the fact that I'm gonna ride
> it!

Give her time. She'll come around, they always do.

> I looked and looked, as I didn't have $20K to dump in a bike. I didn't even
> have a motorcycle endorsement or permit when I started, so I couldn't even
> take test rides. But I talked the sales guys at some of the places into
> giving me a "buddy" ride, so I could hear and experience the bike kinda
> second-hand. It worked OK for me, at least.

My friends all call that "riding bitch". 80)>

But hey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

One time, years ago, I had occasion to give my friend Wiley a ride on
the back (it was an emergency of some kind, like he was actually going
to buy the beer for once.) He held on to me by bunching the left
shoulder of my t-shirt in his fist. When I asked him why he was doing
that, he replied:

"Because I don't like the way you ride and if you make me come off the
back, you're coming with me."

His technique for making me drive carefully worked well.

> Nonetheless, I "rode" several Harly's, Goldwing, V-Star and Honda crusiers.
> None really "did it" for me. I had heard of Victory from my searching, and
> went into Warner Outdoor in Bloomington MN to take a look. As I walked in
> the door, there was my Vegas, sitting there with only 2300 miles on it, in
> mint condition, beautiful metalic red color...I was hooked. I sat on it,
> and loved the "fit" of the bike to me. (I immediately put a KP seat on it,
> btw, after I bought it. Great improvement.)
>
> I took a "ride" on a demo '07 Vegas, and really liked it. I bought the
> Vegas without even riding it! I had secured a permit by then, but most
> dealers won't let you ride without a full endorsement these days.
>
> Since May 1, I have put about 3000 miles on the bike, just upgraded to Stage
> 1 pipes (man, what a performance difference) and a few extra bits of chrome!

I have a Stage 1 kit on my Touring Cruiser. Not sure about the
performance increase because it came with the bike. However, the info
you just posted reassures me.

> It's really a great motorcycle. I rode my buddy's FLHT the other day, and
> it's a dog by comparison, and the braking is far inferior to the Vegas,
> IMHO. I'm very glad I bought a Victory.
>
> Anyway, back on a bike for the first time since about 1967, and I am really
> enjoying it. John, I'll tell all the folks on our local Twin Cities Victory
> Riders (www.tcvr.us) about this list.

Please do, if they'll let you. I don't remember if they're the forum
that gave me a bad time for posting info about this group or not. Also,
if you tell them it's a list they might get confused. It's actually an
unmoderated usenet newsgroup.

It took me a long time to get RMV started up and I'm really hoping it
will become a resource for Victory owners so that they can share
information freely.

> Maybe that'll stimulate some usage.
>
> I've enjoyed your posts, John. Keep it up.

Well thanks for that, Larry! Good to know I'm not spitting into the wind!

Now here's a golf joke for you:

Tough Day for Golf...


One chilly, fall Saturday morning I get up early.

I put on my long johns. I dress quietly.

I get my lunch made and go to the garage to put my golf clubs in the
trunk ready to head down the driveway.

Coming out of the garage, rain is pouring down; it's a torrential downpour.

There is snow mixed in with the rain, and the wind is blowing 50 mph.

Minutes later, I return to the garage, come back into the house and turn
the TV to the weather channel.

I'm informed it's going to be bad weather all day long, so I put the
clubs back in their place; quietly undress and slip back into bed.

There I cuddle up to my wife's back with a different type of activity on
my mind, and whisper, 'The weather out there is terrible.'

She sleepily replies, 'I know! Can you believe my stupid husband is out
golfing in this shit?'

--
John Corliss BS206

"Larry M" <retire@means.net> wrote in message
news:6LidnfWX_K8T01nbnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@onvoy.com...
>
> "Sean" <no.spam@no.spam> wrote in message
> news:j_2wi.57052$fJ5.7769@pd7urf1no...
> > John Corliss showed up in the VB&G inviting folks to visit,
> > so here I am. Here's my story:
> >
> > I've owned several dozen bikes in my career (2 Brits and ricers;
> > 650cc max), but by March of '03 several bikeless years had gone by.
> >
> > Then gas prices shot up during "Operation Iraqi Freedom" causing me
> > a panic attack, so I rushed out and bought the first small
> > (for fuel economy) bike I could find, an '81 Yamaha 250 Exciter.
> > It had been owned and maintained by a conscientious German
> > (they didn't lose the Big One through equipment failure) and it
> > still runs like a Swiss watch.
> >
> > Then about 2 years ago a salesman let me demo a Honda VTX1800.
> > This was my first time on a big bore machine and it was
> > a revelation. I'll always remember that ride, rolling on
> > the throttle and blasting past a big truck to the deep
> > thunderous roar of the pipes.
> >
> > Obvious somewhere a big bike had my name on it; the only question
> > was which one. Sportbikes were out since I'm not comfortable with
> > their hunched-over riding position, and so mostly were cruisers
> > (I don't like my legs stretched out forward either -- it pains me
> > to even sit on a V-rod). At the time Victory wasn't well known
> > around here (Vancouver, Canada) although I learned later about
> > a dealership 30 miles out of town).
> >
> > What I wanted was a mega bike with a comfortable, neutral riding
> > position, and it more or less came down to the Honda Goldwing.
> > So I went shopping for a used one, and that's when I saw an ad
> > for a '99 Harley Ultra Classic. An Electra Glide in Blue, 95ci
> > SE3 covered in bling for just $10,600 (Canadian).
> >
> > Well I'd always wanted a Harley, ever since I was a kid,
> > but something always seem to distract me, such as falling in love
> > (and falling out again). As the years rolled by with many
> > concerns there was always this quiet thought at the back
> > of my mind that I wanted at least one Harley in my lifetime.
> > Although it's a cruiser the cushy saddle and long foot boards
> > make it reasonably comfortable (I can ride with my feet back).
> >
> > At this particular time I could afford it (or so I thought)
> > and the chance might not come again, so I had it checked out
> > by an independent repair shop and on their advice I bought it.
> >
> > Well the reason the price was so low is that it was an insurance
> > write-off; lots of road rash and rips in the vinyl, like it had
> > gone down and rolled around, but no real impact damage.
> > The shop said the frame was ok and it would need about 4 grand
> > to fix it up.
> >
> > However, it seems with Harleys ya gotta pay your dues one way
> > or another, and by the time the cash register stopped ringing
> > I'd poured enough into to it over a year and half to buy
> > a brand new FLHT... or should I have bought a Victory?
> >
> > Later on when I discovered the 30-mile dealer I went in for
> > a lookaround. Comparison with Harley is inevitable, both
> > being an American big iron v-twin (with upgrade "stages")
> > and the Victorys all seemed to be roughly equivalent to the
> > Softail, except for the Vision, equivalent to nothing I've
> > ever seen. The styling is eye catching, but I couldn't help
> > noticing the small pannier capacity.
> >
> > Anyway now I've got a machine I like; it's in good mechanical
> > shape and reliable (so far) with 96 cubes and nearly 100 ft/lbs
> > dyno'd torque and a lot more goodies than a new 06 Electra Glide
Standard.
> > I wouldn't have bought an 07 Harley (too many bugs.
> > Maybe theMoCo will shake them out by 08 or 09, but who knows.)
> >
> > Sean_Q_
> > '99 FLHTCUI SE3
> > '06 Blvd S40
> > '81 Exciter 250
> > '81 Stires VW trike
> > [various derelicts, projects and dirt bikes]
>
>
> Good morning, Sean (and John),
>
> I'm new to RMV, and new to Victory as well, but I'm having a good time.
> Bought my '03 Vegas in May after over 40 years off a bike! Had a
succession
> of "little" bikes back in the 60's and nothing since...my last was a Honda
> 305 Dream...oh, the memories. Girls like it, anyhow.
>
> I started looking for a bike earlier this year. Over my wife's
> protestations, of course, I told her I was finally gonna do it, as I had
> received a small inheritance from my mother who passed away in February.
> While she won't ride with me, she's resigned to the fact that I'm gonna
ride
> it!
>
> I looked and looked, as I didn't have $20K to dump in a bike. I didn't
even
> have a motorcycle endorsement or permit when I started, so I couldn't even
> take test rides. But I talked the sales guys at some of the places into
> giving me a "buddy" ride, so I could hear and experience the bike kinda
> second-hand. It worked OK for me, at least.
>
> Nonetheless, I "rode" several Harly's, Goldwing, V-Star and Honda
crusiers.
> None really "did it" for me. I had heard of Victory from my searching,
and
> went into Warner Outdoor in Bloomington MN to take a look. As I walked in
> the door, there was my Vegas, sitting there with only 2300 miles on it, in
> mint condition, beautiful metalic red color...I was hooked. I sat on it,
> and loved the "fit" of the bike to me. (I immediately put a KP seat on it,
> btw, after I bought it. Great improvement.)
>
> I took a "ride" on a demo '07 Vegas, and really liked it. I bought the
> Vegas without even riding it! I had secured a permit by then, but most
> dealers won't let you ride without a full endorsement these days.
>
> Since May 1, I have put about 3000 miles on the bike, just upgraded to
Stage
> 1 pipes (man, what a performance difference) and a few extra bits of
chrome!
> It's really a great motorcycle. I rode my buddy's FLHT the other day, and
> it's a dog by comparison, and the braking is far inferior to the Vegas,
> IMHO. I'm very glad I bought a Victory.
>
> Anyway, back on a bike for the first time since about 1967, and I am
really
> enjoying it. John, I'll tell all the folks on our local Twin Cities
Victory
> Riders (www.tcvr.us) about this list. Maybe that'll stimulate some usage.
>
> I've enjoyed your posts, John. Keep it up.
>
> Larry
> Northfield, MN
>
> '03 Vegas
>
WELCOME ! ! !
Glad to see someone else on a Victory here, I was beginning to think it was
just going to be John and me with some Harley guys stopping in once in
awhile. Your story sound very much like mine, been riding since '71' but
sold the last bike way back in '84' borrowed a ride whenever I could but
didn't own anything until my Kingpin in 2005, money left when Mom died
helped make $20k affordable. Neither wife or parents wanted me to ride which
is why I sold out in '84' but dumped the wife in '86' and then bought a
whole list of toys that the parents thought were safer than a bike. Started
looking at Harleys but just couldn't find one that I felt any 'love' for and
foe $20k I thought I should feel some love. The White Kingpin with tribal
flames did it for me, added the stage one's and a windshield while it was
still on the floor, been over two years 16,000 miles and still feel the
love....

Does the KP and Vegas really have different seats?? I've never noticed, I
added a Mustang seat a year ago and it is an improvement and am looking at
trying out a Russell seat sometime in the future. People keep coming up with
rides that are over four hours long and that's when I start looking for a
little more in comfort, presently it isn't bad but after four I do enjoy
getting off for a bit of a walk.

John seems to have this thing for adding a joke or story in hopes more
people will join us and maybe he's right so I'll add one here;

John the farmer was in the fertilized egg business. He had several
hundred young layers (hens), called "pullets," and ten roosters, whose
job it was to fertilize the eggs (for you city folks).

The farmer kept records and any rooster that didn't perform went into
the soup pot and was replaced. That took an awful lot of his time, so he
bought a set of tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell
had a different tone so John could tell from a distance, which rooster
was performing. Now he could sit on the porch and fill out an
efficiency report simply by listening to the bells.

The farmer's favorite rooster was old Butch, and a very fine specimen he
was, too. But on one particular morning John noticed old Butch's bell
hadn't rung at all! John went to investigate.

The other roosters were chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing. The pullets,
hearing the roosters coming, would run for cover. But to Farmer John's
amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring. He
would sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one.

John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the County Fair and he
became an overnight sensation among the judges.

The result...The judges not only awarded old Butch the No Bell Piece
Prize but they also awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.

Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making: Who else but a
politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted
awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace
and screwing them when they weren't paying attention!

>>
> WELCOME ! ! !
> Glad to see someone else on a Victory here,

No problem...I hope we can attract a lot more Vic folks. We have a very
active group here in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul, MN

>
> Does the KP and Vegas really have different seats??

Maybe not now, but they did back in '03, and the Vegas seat was baaaad. I
switched to the KP seat and it's a lot more comfortable. I will ultimately
get a Mustang seat, however this one is fine for now.

Yes, John, Stage 1 pipes are much better. Much nicer sound and much more
power, about a 10-12% increase in power, and a better torque curve as well.
Not only more power, but the engine winds up muuuuch faster (and winds down
between shifts) which makes it easier to shift and sounds soooooooooo much
better. It's a deep thoated rumble now, much more satifiying.


I've never noticed, I
> added a Mustang seat a year ago and it is an improvement and am looking at
> trying out a Russell seat sometime in the future. People keep coming up
> with
> rides that are over four hours long and that's when I start looking for a
> little more in comfort, presently it isn't bad but after four I do enjoy
> getting off for a bit of a walk.
>
> John seems to have this thing for adding a joke or story in hopes more
> people will join us and maybe he's right so I'll add one here;

A baaaaaaaaaad joke, gr!

LarryM

>
> John the farmer was in the fertilized egg business. He had several
> hundred young layers (hens), called "pullets," and ten roosters, whose
> job it was to fertilize the eggs (for you city folks).
>
> The farmer kept records and any rooster that didn't perform went into
> the soup pot and was replaced. That took an awful lot of his time, so he
> bought a set of tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell
> had a different tone so John could tell from a distance, which rooster
> was performing. Now he could sit on the porch and fill out an
> efficiency report simply by listening to the bells.
>
> The farmer's favorite rooster was old Butch, and a very fine specimen he
> was, too. But on one particular morning John noticed old Butch's bell
> hadn't rung at all! John went to investigate.
>
> The other roosters were chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing. The pullets,
> hearing the roosters coming, would run for cover. But to Farmer John's
> amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring. He
> would sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one.
>
> John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the County Fair and he
> became an overnight sensation among the judges.
>
> The result...The judges not only awarded old Butch the No Bell Piece
> Prize but they also awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.
>
> Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making: Who else but a
> politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted
> awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace
> and screwing them when they weren't paying attention!
>
>

"John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
news:13c1uo72bstj979@corp.supernews.com...
> > Anyway now I've got a machine I like; it's in good mechanical
> > shape and reliable (so far) with 96 cubes and nearly 100 ft/lbs
> > dyno'd torque and a lot more goodies than a new 06 Electra Glide
> > Standard. I wouldn't have bought an 07 Harley (too many bugs.
>
> My mechanic friend says that they're too lean out of the factory, and
> the dealerships won't alter that

Mine did and, I have been told, it's standard practice. Never known a dealer
to refuse.

CW wrote:
> John Corliss wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyway now I've got a machine I like; it's in good mechanical
>>> shape and reliable (so far) with 96 cubes and nearly 100 ft/lbs
>>> dyno'd torque and a lot more goodies than a new 06 Electra Glide
>>> Standard. I wouldn't have bought an 07 Harley (too many bugs.
>>
>> My mechanic friend says that they're too lean out of the factory, and
>> the dealerships won't alter that
>
> Mine did and, I have been told, it's standard practice. Never known a dealer
> to refuse.

My understanding is that if a dealership gets caught richening a bike
like that, they can be fined several thousand dollars by the EPA (or
maybe it's the DEQ, I don't know - those agencies seem to be engaged in
duplication of efforts.)

But I could be wrong.

--
John Corliss BS206

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