8 Ball

that's the biggest problem with the Vics no one makes parts. the thing I'm
looking for is not having to take it back to the dealer every I want to play
with something. My dealer does not have a dyno so the use a exhaust sniffer
to set the ecu mapping. with the ness I have five different setting and it
looks like I will only have to adjust 2 of those. Mode 2 is Fuel addition
during acceleration & Mode 3 Fuel addition during full throttle. but since
it appears that I'm the first to do anything maybe after I get it set I can
post the results and others can use them for a base line.
as for the weight of the TC I don't see how that will make a difference.
Chevy used the same 350 in every thing from a vet to a 1 ton truck.


"John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
news:13h42u3nllcl927@corp.supernews.com...
> grdøg wrote:
>>> Power Commander doesn't make a module that works with the Victory
>>> Touring Cruiser, so I don't have much interest in that company anyway.
>>
>> Lloydz site says that Power commander work with all models Victories 2002
>> up
>> Power Commander II and III works with all models Victories 2000 up so I
>> was
>> confused by the site information
>>
>> http://quickvic-usa.com/perfparts.html
>
> The Lloydz site appears to be making an unjustified assumption. The Power
> Commander site:
>
> http://www.powercommander.com/powerc...x/default.aspx
>
> lists only the following Victory models:
>
> Hammer
> V92C
> V925C
> Vegas
>
> Because of the heavier weight of the Touring Cruiser, it's my guess that
> an adjusted ignition curve (the method used by Power Commander) which is
> intended for those lighter models wouldn't work with my bike. I could be
> wrong, but I don't have the money to experiment and after hearing about
> all the PC failures, I really am not interested anyway.
>
> By the way, the unit that my friend recommends for Harleys instead of the
> Power Commander (and which I couldn't remember the name of) is the Vance &
> Hines "Fuel-Pak":
>
> http://www.fuelpakfi.com/
>
> Unfortunately, at this point they don't seem to make a unit for Victories.
>
> --
> John Corliss BS206

Bigdawg wrote:
>
> as for the weight of the TC I don't see how that will make a difference.
> Chevy used the same 350 in every thing from a vet to a 1 ton truck.

Weight affects load. Load affects the efficiency of any given fuel to
air ratio. And I'm afraid I don't follow your analogy, because my bike
has the same 92" Freedom motor that other models from that year use. The
difference is in how the ECM was tuned or can be tuned.

--
John Corliss BS206

"John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
news:13h42u3nllcl927@corp.supernews.com...
> grdøg wrote:
> >> Power Commander doesn't make a module that works with the Victory
> >> Touring Cruiser, so I don't have much interest in that company anyway.
> >
> > Lloydz site says that Power commander work with all models Victories
2002 up
> > Power Commander II and III works with all models Victories 2000 up so I
was
> > confused by the site information
> >
> > http://quickvic-usa.com/perfparts.html
>
> The Lloydz site appears to be making an unjustified assumption. The
> Power Commander site:
>
> http://www.powercommander.com/powerc...x/default.aspx
>
> lists only the following Victory models:
>
> Hammer
> V92C
> V925C
> Vegas
>
> Because of the heavier weight of the Touring Cruiser, it's my guess that
> an adjusted ignition curve (the method used by Power Commander) which is
> intended for those lighter models wouldn't work with my bike. I could be
> wrong, but I don't have the money to experiment and after hearing about
> all the PC failures, I really am not interested anyway.
>
> By the way, the unit that my friend recommends for Harleys instead of
> the Power Commander (and which I couldn't remember the name of) is the
> Vance & Hines "Fuel-Pak":
>
> http://www.fuelpakfi.com/
>
> Unfortunately, at this point they don't seem to make a unit for Victories.
>
> --
> John Corliss BS206

Well that's why I worded it I was confused by the web site. They list the
same unit for the Vegas and hammer and list only the PC/III not the PC/II,
don't know enough to say who is right.

grdøg wrote:
> John Corliss wrote:
>> grdøg wrote:
>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Power Commander doesn't make a module that works with the Victory
>>>> Touring Cruiser, so I don't have much interest in that company anyway.
>>>
>>> Lloydz site says that Power commander work with all models Victories
>>> 2002 up Power Commander II and III works with all models Victories 2000
>>> up so I was confused by the site information
>>>
>>> http://quickvic-usa.com/perfparts.html
>>
>> The Lloydz site appears to be making an unjustified assumption. The
>> Power Commander site:
>>
>> http://www.powercommander.com/powerc...x/default.aspx
>>
>> lists only the following Victory models:
>>
>> Hammer
>> V92C
>> V925C
>> Vegas
>>
>> Because of the heavier weight of the Touring Cruiser, it's my guess that
>> an adjusted ignition curve (the method used by Power Commander) which is
>> intended for those lighter models wouldn't work with my bike. I could be
>> wrong, but I don't have the money to experiment and after hearing about
>> all the PC failures, I really am not interested anyway. (clipped)
>
> Well that's why I worded it I was confused by the web site. They list the
> same unit for the Vegas and hammer and list only the PC/III not the PC/II,
> don't know enough to say who is right.

Well, Power Commander makes the module so I would expect that they
should be the final word. OTOH, they may simply not be doing a good job
of maintaining their website. Guess a person would have to contact them
if they were interested in a PC unit. I for one though, am not. 80)>

--
John Corliss BS206

exactly that's the point of the Big Shot. whets to says all the 92's or the
100's are not tuned the same. they use to make the hammer with a 92 so what
if your 92 is tuned the same as the older hammer? Or my 100 is not tuned
the same as the new model. if you look at the new ones besides inverted
forks and a 250 rear wheel whets different? OK the 6 speed maybe they are
using gearing in the transmission to make up for the power loss due to
weight


"John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
news:13h4e48oj9l1330@corp.supernews.com...
> Bigdawg wrote:
>>
>> as for the weight of the TC I don't see how that will make a difference.
>> Chevy used the same 350 in every thing from a vet to a 1 ton truck.
>
> Weight affects load. Load affects the efficiency of any given fuel to air
> ratio. And I'm afraid I don't follow your analogy, because my bike has the
> same 92" Freedom motor that other models from that year use. The
> difference is in how the ECM was tuned or can be tuned.
>
> --
> John Corliss BS206

>
> Well, Power Commander makes the module so I would expect that they
> should be the final word. OTOH, they may simply not be doing a good job
> of maintaining their website. Guess a person would have to contact them
> if they were interested in a PC unit. I for one though, am not. 80)>
>
> --
> John Corliss BS206

Not having seen a TC on the Polaris web site for some time I cannot speak to
that model itself, but I have noticed that Polaris at time will reference
Jackpot/Vegas or Kingpin/Vegas, Hammer/Vegas and indeed there are many
things the same between models. It may be that power commander is saying
'Vegas' meaning 'Freedom engine' confused by Polaris's cross referencing
each of it's models. No matter as you say you have no interest and neither
do I so we'll someone else work that out.

"Bigdawg" <hzy1369@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XuOdnTbonYlhK4_anZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> exactly that's the point of the Big Shot. whets to says all the 92's or
the
> 100's are not tuned the same. they use to make the hammer with a 92 so
what
> if your 92 is tuned the same as the older hammer? Or my 100 is not tuned
> the same as the new model. if you look at the new ones besides inverted
> forks and a 250 rear wheel whets different? OK the 6 speed maybe they are
> using gearing in the transmission to make up for the power loss due to
> weight
>
The 'Ness' unit says that it is 'load' based the others don't make that
claim. As far as the freedom engines I have recently noticed that from one
year to the next they have been changing compression ratios so there would
be a difference by year models. Don't know the workings of the Ness unit but
the power commander lets you change several settings, it isn't just a choice
of a,b,c,or d. How well it works for you depends on how well you select the
settings for the way you ride. As John points out though if the whole unit
fails the settings won't matter.

grdøg wrote:
> Bigdawg wrote:
>>
>> exactly that's the point of the Big Shot. whets to says all the 92's or
>> the 100's are not tuned the same. they use to make the hammer with a 92 so
>> so what if your 92 is tuned the same as the older hammer? Or my 100 is
>> not tuned the same as the new model. if you look at the new ones besides
>> inverted forks and a 250 rear wheel whets different? OK the 6 speed maybe
>> they are using gearing in the transmission to make up for the power loss
>> due to weight
>
> The 'Ness' unit says that it is 'load' based the others don't make that
> claim. As far as the freedom engines I have recently noticed that from one
> year to the next they have been changing compression ratios so there would
> be a difference by year models. Don't know the workings of the Ness unit but
> the power commander lets you change several settings, it isn't just a choice
> of a,b,c,or d. How well it works for you depends on how well you select the
> settings for the way you ride. As John points out though if the whole unit
> fails the settings won't matter.

This reminds me of a story that happened a few years back. My friend
considers me to be quite the computer expert, so he asked me to come
over to his place and help him put a new map in the Power Commander he
had on his Harley (a unit that wound up failing eventually.) He
especially needed this done because he was going to ride down to
Mazatlan (Me-heeko) with his wife (both rode on their own bikes) to
visit his friend who lived down there.

We pushed his bike through the French doors and into his living room,
then hooked the unit on his bike up to his computer using a USB cable.
We were unable to find a precise mapping for his pipes and cam (he was a
pioneer in going with a gear drive on his twin cam too), so based on my
friend's years of experience working on Harleys, we picked a map that he
thought would best suit his needs and setup. It wasn't the map that I
would have chosen, but hey, it wasn't my bike. I did make a point of
telling my friend which map I would have gone with though.

Then my friend and his wife took off on the ~ 5000 mile round trip. When
he got back, the first thing he did was to call me back over and have me
install another mapping from the PC site.

It turned out that the map he had chosen this time was the one that I
had selected but that he hadn't used. He told me that all the way down
there the bike ran okay and got acceptable mileage, but whenever he
poured the coal to it or was under any kind of load, it would backfire,
sputter and pop.

After we put the new map in, he took off for a test ride. When he came
back, he told me that it was the map that he should have gone with
before the trip and that there was no comparison. Said that the bike ran
real good at that point. And it continued to do so, right up until the
moment that the PC failed a several months later.

Now I want to emphasize that the unit which failed on his bike was the
Power Commander I. They're now up to the Power Commander III and maybe
those are more reliable. However, the unit made for the V925C costs $399.95!

'Nuff sed.

--
John Corliss BS206

grdøg wrote:
>> Well, Power Commander makes the module so I would expect that they
>> should be the final word. OTOH, they may simply not be doing a good job
>> of maintaining their website. Guess a person would have to contact them
>> if they were interested in a PC unit. I for one though, am not. 80)>
>
> Not having seen a TC on the Polaris web site for some time I cannot speak to
> that model itself, but I have noticed that Polaris at time will reference
> Jackpot/Vegas or Kingpin/Vegas, Hammer/Vegas and indeed there are many
> things the same between models. It may be that power commander is saying
> 'Vegas' meaning 'Freedom engine' confused by Polaris's cross referencing
> each of it's models. No matter as you say you have no interest and neither
> do I so we'll someone else work that out.

Just got a reply from Vance & Hines to my email. They told me that they
do plan to make a unit for Victories, but didn't have a date or any
other particulars.

--
John Corliss BS206

"John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
news:13h9bkrt784ki0d@corp.supernews.com...
> grdøg wrote:
> >> Well, Power Commander makes the module so I would expect that they
> >> should be the final word. OTOH, they may simply not be doing a good job
> >> of maintaining their website. Guess a person would have to contact them
> >> if they were interested in a PC unit. I for one though, am not. 80)>
> >
> > Not having seen a TC on the Polaris web site for some time I cannot
speak to
> > that model itself, but I have noticed that Polaris at time will
reference
> > Jackpot/Vegas or Kingpin/Vegas, Hammer/Vegas and indeed there are many
> > things the same between models. It may be that power commander is saying
> > 'Vegas' meaning 'Freedom engine' confused by Polaris's cross referencing
> > each of it's models. No matter as you say you have no interest and
neither
> > do I so we'll someone else work that out.
>
> Just got a reply from Vance & Hines to my email. They told me that they
> do plan to make a unit for Victories, but didn't have a date or any
> other particulars.
>
> --
> John Corliss BS206
Now if only they will give you a BIG discount for being one of the first in
line for it...(-: