The Muslim's Creed

BrianNZ wrote:

>And you will also be convincing the 80% of Americans who believe in God
>that they are wrong as well?.....

John Lennon figured it out, after he talked to the Maharishi...

No hell below us, above is only sky...

>and that God was just a useful tool to
>get people to behave themselves long enough to become civilised?

It worked for Moses. He needed something to keep the Israelites together when
it looked like they were all going to intermarry with other nomadic tribes.

That would definitely fuck up all the traditional bloodlines and inheritances,
so he couldn't allow intermarriage with the other tribes.

So he went up on the mountain and came back down with the Law of Moses, which
most Christians know as the Ten Commandments.

The Israelites stayed together for 1500 years after that.

Pretty good scam Moses played on them, saying that he got the laws from the
invisible guy in the sky who had once talked to Abraham...

It worked for Moses, it worked for Mohammed, it worked for Joseph Smith.

Nowadays moonbat types need to hear that the message came from space aliens...


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J. Clarke wrote:


>
> I see, so your purpose is to annoy me, but you want me to killfile
> you, which would defeat your purpose. So you are either lying about
> your purpose, or just plain stupid. I'll leave it to you to decide
> which is the case.
>


No need to make it so black and white......I reckon it's about a 50/50
mix.

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:59:27 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote:


>>> I just figured out why your posts are so fascinating. I would
>>> never
>>> have thought that anyone could pontificate with such certainty on
>>> such a wide variety of topics without ever once actually
>>> demonstrating more than a supeficial knowledge of the subject.
>>>
>>
>> Allow me to pontificate for you on something called 'a kill
>> file'. It's a feature of many modern news-reader programs that
>> allwos
>> you to not even ever see posts from people you don't want to see
>> posts
>> from.
>>
>> For further pontification on the topic, I refer you to your
>> Help pages. RTFM.
>>
>> Barring that, I will assume that you continue to read my posts
>> avidly, so as to increase both your education and your understanding
>> of things that are currently beyond you.
>
>I see, so your purpose is to annoy me, but you want me to killfile
>you, which would defeat your purpose. So you are either lying about
>your purpose, or just plain stupid. I'll leave it to you to decide
>which is the case.

You give yourself too much credit, as usual. You are but one
among many.


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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:02:19 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don"
<d.langkd@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 6, 2:19 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:28:52 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don"
>>
>> <d.lan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >That's maybe the central error of our times, in regards to religion,
>> >Rayvan - viewing God as if he is just another (albeit very powerful)
>> >human, when there's really no basis for assuming it should be so and
>>
>> Your religion tells you we are 'made in his image'. Look
>> through that telescope from the other end, and what do you get ?
>
>Uh, uh. "Image" means it is not the thing it represents. Rather,
>it's something having a similarity. It's not *the* thing.
>
>> >then dismissing any other possibility. Reality may not be shaped to
>> >our liking. Atheists appear quite able to consider that possibility.
>> >Perhaps more people of faith should as well.
>>
>> Atheists are also able to answer questions with 'I don't know'
>> ( why are we here ? What happens after death ? etc etc ) and to
>> simply admit their own lack of knowledge and signifigance, rather than
>> claim some kind of supernatural validation of their existence, and
>> assurance of some form of immortality.
>
>You've ignored the point about how the two sides are similar. Maybe
>think of it this way: I could also charge that you are embracing your
>belief because you want reality to be a certain way - a way that
>places no restrictions on you and does not involve a final reckoning.

Nah. Reality would be rather different if I were in
charge :-). And I certainly live under many restrictions ( in the
sense that we all do, not in the sense of 'as mandated by my parole
officer etc ), both those of nature, and those of society.

As to 'final reckoning' as in 'after death' - I don't believe
in it. However, since you do - look at how many people of how many
different faiths cults etc there are ( including yours, which is not
the largest BTW ), each of whom would proudly proclaim 'We are right !
We have the only true religion ! All others are going to burn in hell
while we live forever in Paradise !'.

Given what a small minority you are part of ( your particular
sect of your particular cult ), do you really believe that you are
'one of the Chosen Ones' ( not the MC ) headed towards Paradise, and
the other 70 + percent of the world is going to hell ? What about
members of different sects of your cult ? Are they damned, as the
Mormons claim ( one of your sects ) ? What about the Jews, Muslims,
Hindis, Buddists, Wiccans, etc etc ? All hell-bound for eternity ?
Or are THEY ( or one bunch of them anyway ) right, and you and the
others are gonna burn ?

No matter how you slice and dice it, by your cult's teachings,
at least half of everyone ever born is going to burn in hell for
eternity. Now - tell me about your 'Loving God', the one that does
that to his own kids ?

Tell me why 'the Time of Miracles' was only for ~ 35 years, >
2,000 years ago ? Why is everyone else supposed to work on 'faith'
based on old stories handed down ? If yrou God oved his children, the
ones alive today, wouldn't he be making miracles ( I mean REAL ones,
not the 'pretend' kind that religionists try to subtitute ) happen
every day, so that EVERYONE had the chance to Know and Believe ?

I mean, fishes & loaves stuff, blind people seeing, heal the
deaf mutes, whales spitting out people, seas parting on command, etc.
And while he's at it - how about 'end suffering', 'end war', etc etc ?
Isn't that what a LOVING Father would do for his children ?

If you had a child, and you saw him reaching for a hot stove,
do you yell and grab his hand away, or do you sit there and silently
think 'Well, he should have paid attention to that story I told him
about a little boy who burned his hand on a hot pan 2,000 years ago, I
guess now he's just going to have to suffer for all eternity' ?????

Come on already.
>
><looking at clock>
>
>Gotta go. My rides waiting for me...

Come back and fight ! I'll bite your kneecaps off !

( note to self - gotta set those hooks better )


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..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:02:19 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don"
> <d.langkd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 6, 2:19 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:28:52 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don"
>>>
>>> <d.lan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> That's maybe the central error of our times, in regards to religion,
>>>> Rayvan - viewing God as if he is just another (albeit very powerful)
>>>> human, when there's really no basis for assuming it should be so and
>>> Your religion tells you we are 'made in his image'. Look
>>> through that telescope from the other end, and what do you get ?
>> Uh, uh. "Image" means it is not the thing it represents. Rather,
>> it's something having a similarity. It's not *the* thing.
>>
>>>> then dismissing any other possibility. Reality may not be shaped to
>>>> our liking. Atheists appear quite able to consider that possibility.
>>>> Perhaps more people of faith should as well.
>>> Atheists are also able to answer questions with 'I don't know'
>>> ( why are we here ? What happens after death ? etc etc ) and to
>>> simply admit their own lack of knowledge and signifigance, rather than
>>> claim some kind of supernatural validation of their existence, and
>>> assurance of some form of immortality.
>> You've ignored the point about how the two sides are similar. Maybe
>> think of it this way: I could also charge that you are embracing your
>> belief because you want reality to be a certain way - a way that
>> places no restrictions on you and does not involve a final reckoning.
>
> Nah. Reality would be rather different if I were in
> charge :-). And I certainly live under many restrictions ( in the
> sense that we all do, not in the sense of 'as mandated by my parole
> officer etc ), both those of nature, and those of society.
>
> As to 'final reckoning' as in 'after death' - I don't believe
> in it. However, since you do - look at how many people of how many
> different faiths cults etc there are ( including yours, which is not
> the largest BTW ), each of whom would proudly proclaim 'We are right !
> We have the only true religion ! All others are going to burn in hell
> while we live forever in Paradise !'.
>
> Given what a small minority you are part of ( your particular
> sect of your particular cult ), do you really believe that you are
> 'one of the Chosen Ones' ( not the MC ) headed towards Paradise, and
> the other 70 + percent of the world is going to hell ? What about
> members of different sects of your cult ? Are they damned, as the
> Mormons claim ( one of your sects ) ? What about the Jews, Muslims,
> Hindis, Buddists, Wiccans, etc etc ? All hell-bound for eternity ?
> Or are THEY ( or one bunch of them anyway ) right, and you and the
> others are gonna burn ?


One mans heaven is another mans hell. All the non-christians go to their
own version of heaven, which is classed as hell by the Christian God.
There is room for everyone in all the heavens.......including animal
heavens (just for your 'animal rescues')




>
> No matter how you slice and dice it, by your cult's teachings,
> at least half of everyone ever born is going to burn in hell for
> eternity. Now - tell me about your 'Loving God', the one that does
> that to his own kids ?


he's only going to that to his 'bad' kids........



>
> Tell me why 'the Time of Miracles' was only for ~ 35 years, >
> 2,000 years ago ? Why is everyone else supposed to work on 'faith'
> based on old stories handed down ? If yrou God oved his children, the
> ones alive today, wouldn't he be making miracles ( I mean REAL ones,
> not the 'pretend' kind that religionists try to subtitute ) happen
> every day, so that EVERYONE had the chance to Know and Believe ?



A modern miracle.....George W. Bush being the best you can find for
running your country!



>
> I mean, fishes & loaves stuff, blind people seeing, heal the
> deaf mutes, whales spitting out people, seas parting on command, etc.
> And while he's at it - how about 'end suffering', 'end war', etc etc ?
> Isn't that what a LOVING Father would do for his children ?
>
> If you had a child, and you saw him reaching for a hot stove,
> do you yell and grab his hand away, or do you sit there and silently
> think 'Well, he should have paid attention to that story I told him
> about a little boy who burned his hand on a hot pan 2,000 years ago, I
> guess now he's just going to have to suffer for all eternity' ?????



Sometimes you just have to let the children do what they know is wrong
so they learn from their mistake. If you have already told them what not
to do, why should you waste your breath repeating it to those that can't
be bothered listening?




>
> Come on already.
>> <looking at clock>
>>
>> Gotta go. My rides waiting for me...
>
> Come back and fight ! I'll bite your kneecaps off !
>
> ( note to self - gotta set those hooks better )
>
>


"Nice bait, but I'm not hungry right now.".....ring any bells? Bring it
on tough guy.

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:30:36 +1300, BrianNZ <brian@itnz.co.nz> wrote:

>>
>> Come back and fight ! I'll bite your kneecaps off !
>>
>> ( note to self - gotta set those hooks better )
>>
>>
>
>
>"Nice bait, but I'm not hungry right now.".....ring any bells? Bring it
>on tough guy.

At least my worm isn't limp like yours .....


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..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:59:27 -0500, "J. Clarke"
> <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>> I just figured out why your posts are so fascinating. I would
>>>> never
>>>> have thought that anyone could pontificate with such certainty on
>>>> such a wide variety of topics without ever once actually
>>>> demonstrating more than a supeficial knowledge of the subject.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Allow me to pontificate for you on something called 'a kill
>>> file'. It's a feature of many modern news-reader programs that
>>> allwos
>>> you to not even ever see posts from people you don't want to see
>>> posts
>>> from.
>>>
>>> For further pontification on the topic, I refer you to your
>>> Help pages. RTFM.
>>>
>>> Barring that, I will assume that you continue to read my posts
>>> avidly, so as to increase both your education and your
>>> understanding
>>> of things that are currently beyond you.
>>
>> I see, so your purpose is to annoy me, but you want me to killfile
>> you, which would defeat your purpose. So you are either lying
>> about
>> your purpose, or just plain stupid. I'll leave it to you to decide
>> which is the case.
>
> You give yourself too much credit, as usual. You are but one
> among many.

I see. So you don't mind not annoying me if you can annoy someone
else.

I'm curious, what do you get out of annoying people?

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:25:08 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote:

>.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:59:27 -0500, "J. Clarke"
>> <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> I just figured out why your posts are so fascinating. I would
>>>>> never
>>>>> have thought that anyone could pontificate with such certainty on
>>>>> such a wide variety of topics without ever once actually
>>>>> demonstrating more than a supeficial knowledge of the subject.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Allow me to pontificate for you on something called 'a kill
>>>> file'. It's a feature of many modern news-reader programs that
>>>> allwos
>>>> you to not even ever see posts from people you don't want to see
>>>> posts
>>>> from.
>>>>
>>>> For further pontification on the topic, I refer you to your
>>>> Help pages. RTFM.
>>>>
>>>> Barring that, I will assume that you continue to read my posts
>>>> avidly, so as to increase both your education and your
>>>> understanding
>>>> of things that are currently beyond you.
>>>
>>> I see, so your purpose is to annoy me, but you want me to killfile
>>> you, which would defeat your purpose. So you are either lying
>>> about
>>> your purpose, or just plain stupid. I'll leave it to you to decide
>>> which is the case.
>>
>> You give yourself too much credit, as usual. You are but one
>> among many.
>
>I see. So you don't mind not annoying me if you can annoy someone
>else.
>
>I'm curious, what do you get out of annoying people?

The nuisance value.



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..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:25:08 -0500, "J. Clarke"
> <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:59:27 -0500, "J. Clarke"
>>> <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I just figured out why your posts are so fascinating. I would
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> have thought that anyone could pontificate with such certainty
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> such a wide variety of topics without ever once actually
>>>>>> demonstrating more than a supeficial knowledge of the subject.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Allow me to pontificate for you on something called 'a kill
>>>>> file'. It's a feature of many modern news-reader programs that
>>>>> allwos
>>>>> you to not even ever see posts from people you don't want to see
>>>>> posts
>>>>> from.
>>>>>
>>>>> For further pontification on the topic, I refer you to your
>>>>> Help pages. RTFM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barring that, I will assume that you continue to read my posts
>>>>> avidly, so as to increase both your education and your
>>>>> understanding
>>>>> of things that are currently beyond you.
>>>>
>>>> I see, so your purpose is to annoy me, but you want me to
>>>> killfile
>>>> you, which would defeat your purpose. So you are either lying
>>>> about
>>>> your purpose, or just plain stupid. I'll leave it to you to
>>>> decide
>>>> which is the case.
>>>
>>> You give yourself too much credit, as usual. You are but one
>>> among many.
>>
>> I see. So you don't mind not annoying me if you can annoy someone
>> else.
>>
>> I'm curious, what do you get out of annoying people?
>
> The nuisance value.

What's the value in being a nuisance?

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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote

> I see. So you don't mind not annoying me if you can annoy someone
> else.
>
> I'm curious, what do you get out of annoying people?

Eh. Some people feel so helpless in their everyday lives that they go nuts
when they discover they can freely say things on Usenet that would get their
balls kicked right up between their back teeth if they tried the same thing
face to face. It makes them feel like the alpha male they wish they were.
(Yes. I *was* a psych major in college. How did you guess?)

BTW; his BS on kill files is exactly that: bullshit. After he got into it
with me when he first found Reeky, he cussed me out and ended by saying he
was plonking me forever. (Big threat.)

Problem is, somewhere along the way he forgot he'd ever made that claim, and
still sometimes replies to my posts. Usually with the profanity that's his
only fallback position.

I look upon him as I do the clouds of mosquitoes in the High Sierras: I'm
not going to stop hiking there just because there's an occasional pain in
the ass. It comes with the territory.