Re: A Reader in Texas Warns To Get Out Of The Way Of Mexican Drivers

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:21:50 -0800 (PST), Studemania
<midlant@earthlink.net> wrote:

>On Dec 4, 9:22 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
><beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Dec 4, 12:55 am, necromancer <o.20.t...@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > SFB spewed:
>>
>> > << ECP removed >>
>>
>> > > This is the big reason we need to kick out the illegals and not let
>> > > any more mexicans in america legally. They are killers on the
>> > > highways since even mexicans can't drink the water in their own
>> > > country and so are raised on beer and turn into serial drunk drivers.
>>
>> > I have 25 Euros that says those Mexicans are better drivers than you
>> > are.
>>
>> GFY, you toe-tapping republican pervert. You are the laughingstock of
>> usenet.
>
>Interestingly, more than half the illegals here do NOT speak Spanish!
>They are Germans, Irish, Itailans, etc who have overstayed their viosa.

Lacking a valid citation for you point:

Thus again comes the call for an fair, legal and orderly process for
immigration. As soon as folks quit trying to attach some identifying
tag on who is or who isn't here illegally, the quicker the too oft
muddied picture will clear up.

DCI

In article <8f0cl3hnduuohuv0s2ntt56ut4jei2pc3n@4ax.com>, at
never@million says...
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:21:50 -0800 (PST), Studemania
> <midlant@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >On Dec 4, 9:22 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> ><beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> On Dec 4, 12:55 am, necromancer <o.20.t...@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > SFB spewed:
> >>
> >> > << ECP removed >>
> >>
> >> > > This is the big reason we need to kick out the illegals and not let
> >> > > any more mexicans in america legally. They are killers on the
> >> > > highways since even mexicans can't drink the water in their own
> >> > > country and so are raised on beer and turn into serial drunk drivers.
> >>
> >> > I have 25 Euros that says those Mexicans are better drivers than you
> >> > are.
> >>
> >> GFY, you toe-tapping republican pervert. You are the laughingstock of
> >> usenet.
> >
> >Interestingly, more than half the illegals here do NOT speak Spanish!
> >They are Germans, Irish, Itailans, etc who have overstayed their viosa.
>
> Lacking a valid citation for you point:
>
> Thus again comes the call for an fair, legal and orderly process for
> immigration. As soon as folks quit trying to attach some identifying
> tag on who is or who isn't here illegally, the quicker the too oft
> muddied picture will clear up.
>
> DCI
>

Agreed.

Like, why should we care if the person standing next to us in the
supermarket is "legal" or "illegal"?

Huh, why?

They still believe in Christmas, don't they?

Perhaps, even more than "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS," who
perhaps knows about that at least. Though I agree with the moniker, but
not the verbiage.


Feliz Navidad.

In article <915f91a8-2ccb-43e9-a365-66b12eb750c2
@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, :-/ at Buteo.lineatus@gmail.com
says...
> On Dec 4, 6:35ï¿=3Fpm, When Dogs Run Free <w...@woof.org> wrote:
>
> > Like, why should we care if the person standing next to us in the
> > supermarket is "legal" or "illegal"?
>
> Liberty is a privilege which the courts will revoke if said person is
> of bad character and endangers other citizens' lives, property, or
> rights.
>
> The equality amongst citizens which is a cornerstone of American
> society *implicitly* requires that said citizens be of good
> character. Being in our country illegally raises the presumption that
> the aliens are of bad character.

You mean, like, the Pilgrims?

> > They still believe in Christmas, don't they?
>
> Some believe in Christmas, some believe in celebrating a good deal on
> lamp oil, some believe in circumcizing little girls, but they all
> believe that America is the land of the free ride and that the US
> constitution was written by Santa Claus.


"they all believe that America is the land of the free ride"

That must be why they work so hard at menial labor.

>
> > Feliz Navidad.
>
> Y prospero ano nuevo, *en su pais*.
>
>
>

"When Dogs Run Free" <wdrf@woof.org> wrote

> > The equality amongst citizens which is a cornerstone of American
> > society *implicitly* requires that said citizens be of good
> > character. Being in our country illegally raises the presumption that
> > the aliens are of bad character.

> You mean, like, the Pilgrims?

No, doofus. The pilgrims weren't here illegally.

> "they all believe that America is the land of the free ride"

> That must be why they work so hard at menial labor.

Some do, some don't. Ask any cop about how many illegals they bust for
criminal activity.

In article <13le0e64rusp4fe@corp.supernews.com>, P. Roehling at
nowayjose@uh-uh.edu says...
>
> "When Dogs Run Free" <wdrf@woof.org> wrote
>
> > > The equality amongst citizens which is a cornerstone of American
> > > society *implicitly* requires that said citizens be of good
> > > character. Being in our country illegally raises the presumption that
> > > the aliens are of bad character.
>
> > You mean, like, the Pilgrims?
>
> No, doofus. The pilgrims weren't here illegally.

Show us their papers. Why all the Indian wars, then? Why don't Native
Americans celebrate Thanksgiving?

As for the actual Pilgrims...

"With the charter for the Plymouth Council for New England incomplete
by the time the colonists departed England, they arrived without a
patent."

In other words, illegally, according to the laws of England.

"Some of the passengers, aware of the situation, suggested that without
a patent in place, they were free to do as they chose upon landing and
ignore the contract with the investors."

Hmm.

"An artificial mound was found near the dunes, which they partially
uncovered and found to be a Native grave. Further along, a similar
mound, more recently made, was found, and as the colonists feared they
might otherwise starve, they ventured to remove some of the provisions
which had been placed in the grave. Baskets of maize were found inside,
some of which the colonists took and placed into an iron kettle they
also found nearby, while they reburied the rest, intending to use the
borrowed corn as seed for planting."

Just digging up graves and borrowing things. Nothing illegal about
that, right?

"William Bradford later recorded in his book, "Of Plymouth Plantation",
that after the shallop had been repaired,

"They also found two of the Indian's houses covered with mats, and some
of their implements in them; but the people had run away and could not
be seen. They also found more corn, and beans of various colours. These
they brought away, intending to give them full satisfaction (repayment)
when they should meet with any of them, - as about six months
afterwards they did."

See, they only "borrowed" the Indians winter food supply.

And here's more...

"They saw some native people on the shore, who ran when the colonists
approached. Inland they found more mounds; one containing acorns, which
they exhumed; and more graves, which they decided not to dig."

Gee, maybe they weren't so bad, after all

"Remaining ashore overnight, they heard cries near the encampment. The
following morning, they were met by native people who proceeded to
shoot at them with arrows. The colonists retrieved their firearms and
shot back, then chased the native people into the woods but did not
find them. There was no more contact with native people for several
months."

Evidently, the Indians didn't exactly give a deed to the land, now did
they?

"Hunt kidnapped twenty people from Patuxet (the place that would become
New Plymouth) and another seven from Nausett, and he attempted to sell
them as slaves in Europe."

Did he say kidnap? No, musta just been borrowing them, since kidnapping
and slavery were legal, which made it ok.

> > "they all believe that America is the land of the free ride"
>
> > That must be why they work so hard at menial labor.
>
> Some do, some don't. Ask any cop about how many illegals they bust for
> criminal activity.
>

Any cop?

How about some true statistics?

"The major offenses for which illegal aliens were convicted ... were
unlawfully entering the United States (47 percent of the total), drug
trafficking (27 percent), other immigration offenses (11 percent) and
fraud (5 percent)."

The "fraud" is usually false papers.

So 64% of the convictions are immigration related.

"Sentenced illegal aliens, compared with legal aliens and U.S.
citizens, were poorer, had lower educational attainment, were younger,
were more likely to be male, and were less likely to have dependents."

Gee, just like regular young Americans in prison.

Just ask any cop.

You can brush up on facts at...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal..._United_States

And here's a study...

http://www.azstarnet.com/news/171109

Here's what one cop had to say about this study...

"The findings of the study make sense to Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony
Estrada, who said illegal immigrants come to work and stay in the
shadows.

"The illegal immigrant obviously keeps a lower profile and tries to
stay away from committing any offenses that would get them arrested,
jailed and deported, and possibly eliminate them from any possibility
of getting legal status," Estrada said.

and the source...

http://www.ailf.org/ipc/ipc_index.asp

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:18:02 GMT, When Dogs Run Free <wdrf@woof.org>
wrote:

>In article <13le0e64rusp4fe@corp.supernews.com>, P. Roehling at
>nowayjose@uh-uh.edu says...
>>
>> "When Dogs Run Free" <wdrf@woof.org> wrote
>>
>> > > The equality amongst citizens which is a cornerstone of American
>> > > society *implicitly* requires that said citizens be of good
>> > > character. Being in our country illegally raises the presumption that
>> > > the aliens are of bad character.
>>
>> > You mean, like, the Pilgrims?
>>
>> No, doofus. The pilgrims weren't here illegally.
>
>Show us their papers. Why all the Indian wars, then? Why don't Native
>Americans celebrate Thanksgiving?

Actually, the Pilgrims got along fairly well with the locals.
>
>As for the actual Pilgrims...
>
>"With the charter for the Plymouth Council for New England incomplete
>by the time the colonists departed England, they arrived without a
>patent."
>
>In other words, illegally, according to the laws of England.

Yeah, but why would England's law apply over here?
>
>"Some of the passengers, aware of the situation, suggested that without
>a patent in place, they were free to do as they chose upon landing and
>ignore the contract with the investors."
>
>Hmm.
>
>"An artificial mound was found near the dunes, which they partially
>uncovered and found to be a Native grave. Further along, a similar
>mound, more recently made, was found, and as the colonists feared they
>might otherwise starve, they ventured to remove some of the provisions
>which had been placed in the grave. Baskets of maize were found inside,
>some of which the colonists took and placed into an iron kettle they
>also found nearby, while they reburied the rest, intending to use the
>borrowed corn as seed for planting."
>
>Just digging up graves and borrowing things. Nothing illegal about
>that, right?

You find anything in the local statutes, one way or the other?

<snip>

Al Moore
DoD 734

In article <2tdhl358ls1cqk2l5e6gsrjqcpavmhh3nb@4ax.com>, Alan Moore at
alan.s.moore@comcast.net says...
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:18:02 GMT, When Dogs Run Free <wdrf@woof.org>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <13le0e64rusp4fe@corp.supernews.com>, P. Roehling at
> >nowayjose@uh-uh.edu says...
> >>
> >> "When Dogs Run Free" <wdrf@woof.org> wrote
> >>
> >> > > The equality amongst citizens which is a cornerstone of American
> >> > > society *implicitly* requires that said citizens be of good
> >> > > character. Being in our country illegally raises the presumption that
> >> > > the aliens are of bad character.
> >>
> >> > You mean, like, the Pilgrims?
> >>
> >> No, doofus. The pilgrims weren't here illegally.
> >
> >Show us their papers. Why all the Indian wars, then? Why don't Native
> >Americans celebrate Thanksgiving?
>
> Actually, the Pilgrims got along fairly well with the locals.
> >
> >As for the actual Pilgrims...
> >
> >"With the charter for the Plymouth Council for New England incomplete
> >by the time the colonists departed England, they arrived without a
> >patent."
> >
> >In other words, illegally, according to the laws of England.
>
> Yeah, but why would England's law apply over here?
> >
> >"Some of the passengers, aware of the situation, suggested that without
> >a patent in place, they were free to do as they chose upon landing and
> >ignore the contract with the investors."
> >
> >Hmm.
> >
> >"An artificial mound was found near the dunes, which they partially
> >uncovered and found to be a Native grave. Further along, a similar
> >mound, more recently made, was found, and as the colonists feared they
> >might otherwise starve, they ventured to remove some of the provisions
> >which had been placed in the grave. Baskets of maize were found inside,
> >some of which the colonists took and placed into an iron kettle they
> >also found nearby, while they reburied the rest, intending to use the
> >borrowed corn as seed for planting."
> >
> >Just digging up graves and borrowing things. Nothing illegal about
> >that, right?
>
> You find anything in the local statutes, one way or the other?
>
> Al Moore
> DoD 734
>

Great argument for amnesty! Just do the paperwork and voila, no
problem.

In article <0e5fd8cd-a372-4272-8fa5-
dadc65925e8c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, :-/ at
Buteo.lineatus@gmail.com says...
> On Dec 6, 10:18ï¿=3Fam, When Dogs Run Free <w...@woof.org> wrote:
>
> > > No, doofus. The pilgrims weren't here illegally.
> >
> > Show us their papers.
>
> You must be the retarded son of immigrants. About one American in
> seven can trace his/her ancestry back to the brave Pilgrims who
> riskedtheir lives to worship God as they saw fit, even if it meant
> living amongst savages in the wilderness.

you should be a script writer in hollywood

> Of course the Pilgrims had permission to be where they were, the
> Plymouth Company obtained a royal charter from King Charles I, before
> the Myflower sailed.

guess you can't read. did you ever look up the actual charter?

>
> The Pilgrims did not own the Myflower, they were paying passengers and
> they were set down in a part of the British empire that wasn't exactly
> where they'd expected to go, but they all agreed to make the best of
> it, when they signed the Mayflower Compact.
>
> My direct ancestor was Richard Warren. He signed the Mayflower
> Compact.
>
> >Why all the Indian wars, then?
>
> There was no Indian government at any level,

you are a doofus. ever heard of the Iroquois? or Thomas Jefferson and
the concept of federalism?



> >
> > Evidently, the Indians didn't exactly give a deed to the land, now did
> > they?
>
> Yes, the natives did deed their land over to the English, a bit at a
> time.

As they were slaughtered along the way. Again, do you know how many
wars were fought by the United States against native nations?

> For instance, some of my direct ancestors were assigned to
> locate an old Naumkeag woman known as "The Squaw Sachem". She had
> previously deeded the land the Salem was built on to the Pilgrims.
> Then, in 1628, her son, known as "Prince John" deeded the land that
> Charles Town was built on to the Massachusetts Bay Company.
>
> The Naumkeags were happy to have the English living there to protect
> them from the Narragansetts.
>
> By 1684, the Naumkeags had deeded the last of their 1300 acres to the
> English.


Wow, I'm impressed.

So tell me this, how come when you Google "Narragansetts" or
"Naumkeags" nothing comes up?


But as you say, it was done deeded.


All the blood got washed off because now it was official on paper.

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:00:19 GMT, When Dogs Run Free <wdrf@woof.org>
wrote:

>> There was no Indian government at any level,
>
>you are a doofus. ever heard of the Iroquois? or Thomas Jefferson and
>the concept of federalism?

Don't expect to convince Krusty/Albrecht/B-P/whatever that Indians
were capable of developing sophisticated governments and things like
federalism. They weren't white people, so he's sure it can't be true.
He even knows better than people who were there at the time and wrote
about it.

--

Home page: http://xidos.ca

In article <in2ml3dosmbg9u70bqif3imiupie50tjum@4ax.com>, Alan Moore at
alan.s.moore@comcast.net says...
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:58:36 -0800 (PST), Rob Kleinschmidt
> <Rkleinsch1216128@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >On Dec 6, 7:04 pm, Alan Moore <alan.s.mo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:18:02 GMT, When Dogs Run Free <w...@woof.org>
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> >Show us their papers. Why all the Indian wars, then? Why don't Native
> >> >Americans celebrate Thanksgiving?
> >>
> >> Actually, the Pilgrims got along fairly well with the locals.
> >
> >Offhand, I'd say the current generation of immigrants
> >does way better than the Pilgrims ever thought of doing.
> >And they don't even bring fatal epidemics with them either.
>
> Hmm. Around here, we have some pretty serious diseases brought in from
> other parts of the world in recent times. West Nile Encephelitis, for
> example. Tuberculosis and Hepatitis-B, in my youth were extremely rare
> in this area, but are now serious threats.
> >
> >I bumped into a great quote last night where a member
> >of the Massacusets bay colony was speculating that
> >maybe smallpox was the method by which an ever
> >kind and provident deity was making space for the
> >colonists in the new world.
>
> Hmm, kind of reminds me of Leibniz' "Logical Positivism."
> >
> >> >As for the actual Pilgrims...
> >>
> >> >"With the charter for the Plymouth Council for New England incomplete
> >> >by the time the colonists departed England, they arrived without a
> >> >patent."
> >>
> >> >In other words, illegally, according to the laws of England.
> >>
> >> Yeah, but why would England's law apply over here?
> >
> >So they weren't actually illegal, just sort of undocumented ?
>
> I believe they brought all the _required_ documentation with them.
>
> Al Moore
> DoD 734
>

Required by whom?