Harley storage bubble

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:00:23 -0800 (PST), "tomorrow@erols.com"
<tomorrow@erols.com> wrote:

>On Dec 5, 10:01 pm, Bob Mann <B...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:35:01 -0500, Russell Watson
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>> <russell-wat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:41:44 -0600, Bob Mann <B...@nowhere.com> wrote:
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>> >>On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:39:25 -0500, Russell Watson
>> >><russell-wat...@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> >>>On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:43:30 -0600, Bob Mann <B...@nowhere.com> wrote:
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>> >>>>On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:22:35 -0500, Russell Watson
>> >>>><russell-wat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>Yeah, it would probably say "For REAL motorcycles only", since one of
>> >>>>>the conceits among my fellow H-D owners who are "Harley Snobs" is that
>> >>>>>other brands aren't "real" motorcycles.
>> >>>>>I nearly puke every time I hear "When are you gonna get rid of 'that
>> >>>>>thing' and get a real motorcycle" spoken to someone on a Shadow,
>> >>>>>Vulcan, etc.
>> >>>>>Of course my co-workers who ride FLH models refer to my Fatboy as
>> >>>>>"that thing" as well. God only knows what they think of Sporty
>> >>>>>pilots...
>>
>> >>>>You're way too sensitive to ride any bike.
>> >>>>That's just teasing on the order of ribbing a guy because he likes the
>> >>>>Packers instead of the Vikings.
>>
>> >>>I'm not sensitive at all. I know good-natured joshing from being an
>> >>>outright asshole. Among many it is exactly what you say, but the
>> >>>specific folks I am talking about are people I know personally and it
>> >>>is a truly malicious attitude on their part.
>>
>> >>In that case, you need to be more picky about the people with whom you
>> >>associate.
>>
>> >They're co-workers, not friends, so I didn't get to pick them but am
>> >stuck with them to a certain extent. No BFD for the most part, but the
>> >snarky attitude gets on my nerves sometimes.
>>
>> It would get on mine too, even if I rode a Harley (which I do)
>> The whole idea that we all have to ride the same bike is pretty
>> stupid.
>
>Here is an exchange between RGD and I in June, 2002:
>
>************************************************* ***********************
>Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>> I was shopping for a Honda once too and - as I listened to the
>> salesmen and devotees go on an on about how lousy Harleys are and how
>> better the Japanese brands were, I found myself asking, "Is this what
>> they're all about?"
>
>I was test-riding a Buell M2 Cyclone once. The salesman asked me what
>kind of bike I owned. I said I owned a Triumph Speed Triple. He
>replied
>that he guessed I'd be happy to get off that Jap crap and onto a real
>American motorcycle. I found myself asking, "Is this what they're
>all
>about?"
>
>My neighbor of twenty years had visited my garage innumerable times,
>checking out my bikes and chatting me up about riding. Two years ago
>he
>got his first bike - A Harley Super Glide. He brought it up my house
>to
>show it off. We spent an hour going over the bike, with appropriate
>'oohs' and 'ahhhhs' on my part. A couple of weeks later he rode up
>to
>my house again, this time accompanied by his cousin, also Harley
>mounted, I wiped my hands and mosied out to the street to greet
>them.
>After the regular "hello," Bill revealed that he and his cousin had
>just
>dropped by to find out when I was planning on getting a "real bike" so
>I
>could go riding with them. I asked him what he meant by a "real
>bike,'
>and he smiled and said, "You know.... a Harley." I told him to drop
>by
>often so he would know when that happened. (He hasn't been back
>since...)
>
>When my brother and I went to Daytona (as we do almost every year for
>Bike Week) in '93, he rode his '92 Sportster and I rode my '81 Yamaha
>SR500 hotrod. The Sportster had stock pipes. It was a very quiet
>motorcycle. My hotrod SR500 had a high performance header and a
>Conti
>megaphone. It has tremendously, anti-socially loud. At our hotel,
>where 9 of 10 bikes there were Harleys, the guys drinking beer and
>polishing their bikes in the parking lot invariably dissed my brother
>when we rode up, because his Sporty wasn't as loud as my "Jap crap."
>
>Before that point I had been completely snowed by the stories of
>camradery and brotherhood shared by proud owners of the last American
>motorcycle. But after that, I realized that assholes can ride any
>brand
>of bike.
>
>Fact: I've met people who ride Harleys who hate all other brands and
>won't have anything to do with people who ride anything other than a
>Harley. Many won't have anything to do with Harley riders who don't
>conform to their narrow-minded prejudices about how a Harley rider
>should look, act, or ride; either. (Reminds me of my trip from
>Norfolk
>to D.C. on a friend's Road King wearing my bright red Aerostich
>Roadcrafter and my bright safety-orange full face Shoei helmet -
>other
>Harley riders at various gas stations and fast food places
>veeerrrrrrryyyyyy carefully parked as far away from me and my Harley
>as
>they possibly could!)
>
>Fact: I've met people who wouldn't own or ride a Harley on a bet,
>and
>are convinced that there is no redeeming value in any Harley model
>ever
>produced.
>
>Fact: Both groups described above are narrow minded bigots who
>derive
>some simpleminded sense of superiority out of convincing themselves
>that
>others are inferior. They lose far more than they gain via the
>attitude
>that they cop.
>
>************************************************* **********************************
>
>I wrote that five and a half years ago, when I had been riding for 24
>years and had never owned a Harley. Now, I own and ride a Harley (as
>well as a Ducati) and nothing has changed.
>
>It's still the rider that's important, not the ride.

I figured I was not the only person here who had encountered this as
something more than good-natured ribbing. I agree that there are
assholes in both camps.
My cousin's husband has a Kawasaki Vulcan and is as anti-Harley as
people come. "I wouldn't own one of them God-damned things" is how I
believe he put it.
One of my co-workers rides a Mean Streak and is as against Harleys as
my other co-workers are for them.
I am a "bikes is bikes" sort myself. I have a Fatboy for several
reasons:
I wanted a Harley since I was a kid in the '60s and had a neighbor who
parked his in his living room with a drip pan underneath it. Also, by
the time I became aware of Evel Knievel he had ditched Triumph was was
using the XR-750. And of course there was "Then Came Bronson", though
the Harley mysteriously turned into other types of bikes for certain
scenes... <G>
I have a short straddle and have trouble riding anything but the
lowest-slung cruisers. I used to walk my '70s model Honda around on my
tip-toes which is both uncomfortable and slightly dangerous.
I had an opportunity to get the one I have at a really good price for
the time. Other bikes on my short list when I walked up on the one I
have were the Honda Valkyrie (the original, not a fugly-ass Rune) and
the Suzuki 1200 Bandit. If I had bought the former I may have
2nd-guessed myself later but I don't have a doubt that other than the
seat height I would have loved the latter and I still kinda wish I had
one as an alternate bike.
My partner for most of my jaunts down to Daytona and who I will be
riding the Toys for Tots run with on Sunday rides a Shadow 750 ACE and
his wife rides a V-STAR 650. When we all ride together they usually
get me to lead, not because they figure they should defer to me but
because they all like how my bike sounds, and if they're ahead of me
they can't hear it.

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:04:52 -0500, Russell Watson
<russell-watson@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>I figured I was not the only person here who had encountered this as
>something more than good-natured ribbing. I agree that there are
>assholes in both camps.
>My cousin's husband has a Kawasaki Vulcan and is as anti-Harley as
>people come. "I wouldn't own one of them God-damned things" is how I
>believe he put it.
>One of my co-workers rides a Mean Streak and is as against Harleys as
>my other co-workers are for them.
>I am a "bikes is bikes" sort myself. I have a Fatboy for several
>reasons:
>I wanted a Harley since I was a kid in the '60s and had a neighbor who
>parked his in his living room with a drip pan underneath it. Also, by
>the time I became aware of Evel Knievel he had ditched Triumph was was
>using the XR-750. And of course there was "Then Came Bronson", though
>the Harley mysteriously turned into other types of bikes for certain
>scenes... <G>
>I have a short straddle and have trouble riding anything but the
>lowest-slung cruisers. I used to walk my '70s model Honda around on my
>tip-toes which is both uncomfortable and slightly dangerous.
>I had an opportunity to get the one I have at a really good price for
>the time. Other bikes on my short list when I walked up on the one I
>have were the Honda Valkyrie (the original, not a fugly-ass Rune) and
>the Suzuki 1200 Bandit. If I had bought the former I may have
>2nd-guessed myself later but I don't have a doubt that other than the
>seat height I would have loved the latter and I still kinda wish I had
>one as an alternate bike.
>My partner for most of my jaunts down to Daytona and who I will be
>riding the Toys for Tots run with on Sunday rides a Shadow 750 ACE and
>his wife rides a V-STAR 650. When we all ride together they usually
>get me to lead, not because they figure they should defer to me but
>because they all like how my bike sounds, and if they're ahead of me
>they can't hear it.

My main two riding partners have a Deuce and an ACE.
One of the Harleys usually leads but we have to watch out or the Honda
gets left behind.
If he leads we end up doing the speed limit or less.

I don't care what anyone rides and within certain limitaions I don't
really care all that much what I ride either. I just like the Ultra
for the type of riding I do.
I would like a second bike but I'm not sure exactly what.
Frankly, it would take several diverse bikes to satisfy all my wants.
--
Bob Mann

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